Comments on: The Happy Good Heathen http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/ Pentecostal Rumination and Review Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:10:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ichabod http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/comment-page-1/#comment-85704 Ichabod Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:18:35 +0000 http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/#comment-85704 "Our goodness doesn’t count for much. For no matter how good our best behavior is it is never ever good enough. Not when compared to the pure, unadulterated, undiluted, pristine infinity of God’s absolute, burning holiness." What a horrible god. An angry, vengeful god who cannot be pleased. A god who looks down at his children with disgust. “Our goodness doesn’t count for much. For no matter how good our best behavior is it is never ever good enough. Not when compared to the pure, unadulterated, undiluted, pristine infinity of God’s absolute, burning holiness.”

What a horrible god. An angry, vengeful god who cannot be pleased. A god who looks down at his children with disgust.

]]> By: Common Swift http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/comment-page-1/#comment-77800 Common Swift Fri, 16 May 2008 03:55:40 +0000 http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/#comment-77800 Wow! Excellent discussion all around! I once got into a debate with a former Catholic seminarian who left the his faith and embraced this mushy, feel-good, message of "good people." I explained there are no "good people," only people that were lost and now are found. Of course I came off as the meanie Bible thumper and my stay on that Christian site was short lived. I believe if you live a life dedicated to our Savior, the lost will be drawn to you like a moth to the flame. He said everything will fall into place if we seek him first, so why shouldnt that extend to witnessing to the lost? Wow! Excellent discussion all around! I once got into a debate with a former Catholic seminarian who left the his faith and embraced this mushy, feel-good, message of “good people.” I explained there are no “good people,” only people that were lost and now are found. Of course I came off as the meanie Bible thumper and my stay on that Christian site was short lived.

I believe if you live a life dedicated to our Savior, the lost will be drawn to you like a moth to the flame. He said everything will fall into place if we seek him first, so why shouldnt that extend to witnessing to the lost?

]]> By: Rich http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/comment-page-1/#comment-72025 Rich Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:55:59 +0000 http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/#comment-72025 <b>@Kathi</b>: I understand, Kathi, and I agree. However, there is a sense in which it takes the grace of God to allow a person to come to grips with their sinfulness -- without it repentance isn't possible. Sure, there are people with low self-worth or who have an honest estimate of their own tendency to do wrong, but even when you were first wrestling with your visions of Jesus, you had a sense of your own moral rectitude as a practicing wiccan. (Maybe I'm wrong about that, though.) That's why I distinguished between those who have a "self-righteous" attitude vs. those who simply believe they're basically good. <b>@Jack</b>: So, let me get this straight: I'm <i>inhumane</i> if I reference a book written by an atheist who has changed his mind? What exactly am I abusing? And how does this discredit me? Confused in Michigan... Rich @Kathi: I understand, Kathi, and I agree. However, there is a sense in which it takes the grace of God to allow a person to come to grips with their sinfulness — without it repentance isn’t possible. Sure, there are people with low self-worth or who have an honest estimate of their own tendency to do wrong, but even when you were first wrestling with your visions of Jesus, you had a sense of your own moral rectitude as a practicing wiccan. (Maybe I’m wrong about that, though.) That’s why I distinguished between those who have a “self-righteous” attitude vs. those who simply believe they’re basically good.

@Jack: So, let me get this straight: I’m inhumane if I reference a book written by an atheist who has changed his mind? What exactly am I abusing? And how does this discredit me?

Confused in Michigan…

Rich

]]> By: Jack http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/comment-page-1/#comment-72018 Jack Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:57:08 +0000 http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/#comment-72018 The use of Anthony Flew is an abuse which brings discredit to anyhone who uses or quotes his recent change in beleifs. One would expect greater humanity from a christian. The use of Anthony Flew is an abuse which brings discredit to anyhone who uses or quotes his recent change in beleifs.

One would expect greater humanity from a christian.

]]> By: Kathi Sharpe http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/comment-page-1/#comment-72011 Kathi Sharpe Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:07:51 +0000 http://tatumweb.com/blog/2008/03/15/goodness/#comment-72011 <blockquote>« I’ve found that the “good” and the “moral” are the hardest to witness to. They don’t see their need for a Savior. Anybody else found that to be true? »</blockquote> I'd personally rather witness to the darkest of occultists or a substance abuser who's sitting in a puddle of their own vomit, than someone who thinks they're "all right". In my experience, it's by far more productive a conversation. (But, someone reminded me yesterday that God has placed me strategically to be ABLE to witness to folks in extreme darkness, and He's placed others to be able to witness to the "all right's" of the world.) Maybe so. I hope so.

« I’ve found that the “good” and the “moral” are the hardest to witness to. They don’t see their need for a Savior. Anybody else found that to be true? »

I’d personally rather witness to the darkest of occultists or a substance abuser who’s sitting in a puddle of their own vomit, than someone who thinks they’re “all right”. In my experience, it’s by far more productive a conversation. (But, someone reminded me yesterday that God has placed me strategically to be ABLE to witness to folks in extreme darkness, and He’s placed others to be able to witness to the “all right’s” of the world.) Maybe so. I hope so.

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