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	<title>Comments on: Pentecostalism and Charismatics</title>
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		<title>By: taylor thayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>taylor thayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a pentecostal and i waer the dresses and skirts but i paint my nails whatever color i want. i wear jewer;y and my family and everyone else at my church doesnt say anything. i married my ol.d pastors grandson and now he is the pastor there. i dont always follow all the pentecostal ru;es. i wasnt church raised but my two little girls are beib=ng church raised. i do not cut my hair or my daughters my oldests hair is already down to her wwaist and my youngers is to the middle of her back. they are 6 and 10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a pentecostal and i waer the dresses and skirts but i paint my nails whatever color i want. i wear jewer;y and my family and everyone else at my church doesnt say anything. i married my ol.d pastors grandson and now he is the pastor there. i dont always follow all the pentecostal ru;es. i wasnt church raised but my two little girls are beib=ng church raised. i do not cut my hair or my daughters my oldests hair is already down to her wwaist and my youngers is to the middle of her back. they are 6 and 10</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a Pentecostal for most of my life, I no longer attend church claim to be christian or even darken the doors expecting God to just drop what he is doing just for me. 
You have defined the Charismatic view of Pentecost, &quot;Do what you want, God will Forgive&quot; , When in all TRUTH The Bible says to Strive daily for Perfection as your Father in heaven is Perfect. That doesn&#039;t mean you have to be perfect, it means you should yield to the conviction that God has placed on your heart. As far as a Women&#039;s
hair The Bible teaches that it is her Glory and no sharp edge should come to it, and a Man&#039;s hair is his shame and it should be shaven. I too am in a interracial relationship, but have had no issues with the church regarding this. Even though the Bible teaches you to Marry of your own kind. I have attended Black Churches, White Churches, even other Denominations such as Baptist, Presbyterian,Lutheran, Catholic,Etc. and have never set foot in a Church Like a pure Holy ghost Driven United Pentecostal Service. I think in your search for truth, you should really look at the words God has given you, and remember this..Work out your own Salvation with Fear and Trembling...Those words every true believer will know where to find, and will know that no denomination, church or preacher can save you, it&#039;s a choice you make when called, a pastor is there for guidance and direction as explained in the Bible teachings of the five fold ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a Pentecostal for most of my life, I no longer attend church claim to be christian or even darken the doors expecting God to just drop what he is doing just for me.<br />
You have defined the Charismatic view of Pentecost, &#8220;Do what you want, God will Forgive&#8221; , When in all TRUTH The Bible says to Strive daily for Perfection as your Father in heaven is Perfect. That doesn&#8217;t mean you have to be perfect, it means you should yield to the conviction that God has placed on your heart. As far as a Women&#8217;s<br />
hair The Bible teaches that it is her Glory and no sharp edge should come to it, and a Man&#8217;s hair is his shame and it should be shaven. I too am in a interracial relationship, but have had no issues with the church regarding this. Even though the Bible teaches you to Marry of your own kind. I have attended Black Churches, White Churches, even other Denominations such as Baptist, Presbyterian,Lutheran, Catholic,Etc. and have never set foot in a Church Like a pure Holy ghost Driven United Pentecostal Service. I think in your search for truth, you should really look at the words God has given you, and remember this..Work out your own Salvation with Fear and Trembling&#8230;Those words every true believer will know where to find, and will know that no denomination, church or preacher can save you, it&#8217;s a choice you make when called, a pastor is there for guidance and direction as explained in the Bible teachings of the five fold ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Holyroller125</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holyroller125</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Methodist, and yes, Methodist have not really ever had a standard of dress per se, or Methodist would not preach that holiness is a &quot;standard&quot; that one goes by.

Earlier, I was attending a UMC church, and a UPC affiliated church rented it out.  Our pastor invited the Pentecostal church in with our worship a few sundays. Yes, we had the pentecostal minister preach.  Later, I did receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  I know that the high point of the UPC is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  I am working with the UMC, and will preach the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  The UPC pastor also preached standards of dress a lot because our girls in the Methodist church would come to the church without their standards of dress per se.  Yes, we had girls in the Methodist church that would wear a miniskirt and even come to worship bare-legged without nylon hosier.  I believe that it is taking it too far to say a woman will go to Hell if they do not wear nylons to worship.  At the same time, I believe, as a man, that it is normal, when a girl wears a miniskirt even bare-legged, to look down and think the girl looks pretty.  I still believe that even a miniskirt is not a Hell issue.  And, I am thankful to be saved absolutely by grace through faith without legalism.&quot;

The World is my Perish, and I will preach to any audience (e.g. even if the woman has cut hair, cut hair does not mean the woman has a spirit prostitution).

Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Methodist, and yes, Methodist have not really ever had a standard of dress per se, or Methodist would not preach that holiness is a &#8220;standard&#8221; that one goes by.</p>
<p>Earlier, I was attending a UMC church, and a UPC affiliated church rented it out.  Our pastor invited the Pentecostal church in with our worship a few sundays. Yes, we had the pentecostal minister preach.  Later, I did receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  I know that the high point of the UPC is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  I am working with the UMC, and will preach the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  The UPC pastor also preached standards of dress a lot because our girls in the Methodist church would come to the church without their standards of dress per se.  Yes, we had girls in the Methodist church that would wear a miniskirt and even come to worship bare-legged without nylon hosier.  I believe that it is taking it too far to say a woman will go to Hell if they do not wear nylons to worship.  At the same time, I believe, as a man, that it is normal, when a girl wears a miniskirt even bare-legged, to look down and think the girl looks pretty.  I still believe that even a miniskirt is not a Hell issue.  And, I am thankful to be saved absolutely by grace through faith without legalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The World is my Perish, and I will preach to any audience (e.g. even if the woman has cut hair, cut hair does not mean the woman has a spirit prostitution).</p>
<p>Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: T S G</title>
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		<dc:creator>T S G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ty, I do know you and it saddens me to see you walking away from the truth. You try to set up men as infallable when we both know that this pastor whom you and   I shared for many years was plainly a man who erred in a great many ways you need to separate men from the org. That doesn&#039;t mean that the upci doesn&#039;t have it&#039;s faults afterall it was made by men. just as your perfect church is. You had problems with bucking authority all through the marine corp. and it sounds like you still have problems with your perspective in regaurds to authority. We don&#039;t believe you&#039;re going to hell over these things you&#039;ve mentioned afterall God does judge the heart But there is an important part in the church for holliness standards and i&#039;m sorry to see how you&#039;ve so eagerly discarde them. I just hope you nver forget the responsibilty you have for all those souls in &quot;Your&quot; church because you will be held accountable.
                                                Sincerely tsg
                                             p.s. and we are still prayng for you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ty, I do know you and it saddens me to see you walking away from the truth. You try to set up men as infallable when we both know that this pastor whom you and   I shared for many years was plainly a man who erred in a great many ways you need to separate men from the org. That doesn&#8217;t mean that the upci doesn&#8217;t have it&#8217;s faults afterall it was made by men. just as your perfect church is. You had problems with bucking authority all through the marine corp. and it sounds like you still have problems with your perspective in regaurds to authority. We don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re going to hell over these things you&#8217;ve mentioned afterall God does judge the heart But there is an important part in the church for holliness standards and i&#8217;m sorry to see how you&#8217;ve so eagerly discarde them. I just hope you nver forget the responsibilty you have for all those souls in &#8220;Your&#8221; church because you will be held accountable.<br />
                                                Sincerely tsg<br />
                                             p.s. and we are still prayng for you</p>
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		<title>By: RevCane</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2006/01/01/pentecostalism-and-charismatics/comment-page-1/#comment-107274</link>
		<dc:creator>RevCane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been studying this point of scripture for a while:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1 Timothy 2:9 KJV: &quot;In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*What else could it mean?  I attend the Congregational Holiness Church, we speak in tounges, and run a Pentecostal- style service like other Holiness churches, some churches in our denomination are more strict than others, but most ladies have their hair however they please, but still where dresses and very little, if any, make up. I&#039;ve been to other churches in our denomination where women still where long hair up in buns, no makeup, and long dresses. It is quite common in Alabama where I live.  And I see where they base this belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been studying this point of scripture for a while:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Timothy 2:9 KJV: &#8220;In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>*What else could it mean?  I attend the Congregational Holiness Church, we speak in tounges, and run a Pentecostal- style service like other Holiness churches, some churches in our denomination are more strict than others, but most ladies have their hair however they please, but still where dresses and very little, if any, make up. I&#8217;ve been to other churches in our denomination where women still where long hair up in buns, no makeup, and long dresses. It is quite common in Alabama where I live.  And I see where they base this belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K.  I too am a pentecostal girl.  I do not believe that only pentecostal people will go to heaven, nor do I believe that wearing pants, shorts, makeup, or jewelry will cause me to go to hell.  What I do believe is that we are all here on earth for a short time, and we are all striving for the same thing and that is to make it to heaven.  I am also striving to receive all that I can from Christ while on this journey. Having the Holy Ghost is not the only way to heaven.  Being saved is, however God has so much more than just being saved. I am sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost, and yes I have spoken in tongues.  I was not taught how, I do not believe in that; the Holy Ghost spoke through me.  I am a haridresser.  In no way do I believe that I am going to hell for cutting hair.  As a matter of fact, I feel with all that I am that God has called me into this industry.  This is my mission field.  I do not feel that the women who choose to not cut their or wear makeup or pants is trying to be holier than thou. I feel that they feel in their hearts that they are supposed to live this way.  I commend them greatly.  It is not our place to judge, we all need to realize that we are all trying to make this journey and if we are not able to get along on earth then how are we supposed to make it to heaven and spend eternity together.  I ALSO BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT YOU NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL NOT TO DISRESPECT PASTORS, EVANGELISTS, OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED BY GOD.  Just because you do not agree with them, doesn&#039;t give you the right to down grade them.  They are called by God.  What they teach and say is on there hands. That is between them and God. That is why we are to study God&#039;s word and PRAY PRAY PRAY.  Work out your own salvation. Don&#039;t walk around saying you are wrong and you are wrong and you are wrong, walk around wth confidence that you know Christ and He teaches you things everyday.  We are called to love, not tear down, and to judge.  We are to witness and we are all back biting and being crtical and wasting preacious time. I pray that we all put aside the politics in church and just love eachother and strive to make it to heaven and win  our friends and neighbors for the Lord on our journey. I love all of you and we need to be careful not to let satan play distracting games with our minds and souls.  May God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K.  I too am a pentecostal girl.  I do not believe that only pentecostal people will go to heaven, nor do I believe that wearing pants, shorts, makeup, or jewelry will cause me to go to hell.  What I do believe is that we are all here on earth for a short time, and we are all striving for the same thing and that is to make it to heaven.  I am also striving to receive all that I can from Christ while on this journey. Having the Holy Ghost is not the only way to heaven.  Being saved is, however God has so much more than just being saved. I am sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost, and yes I have spoken in tongues.  I was not taught how, I do not believe in that; the Holy Ghost spoke through me.  I am a haridresser.  In no way do I believe that I am going to hell for cutting hair.  As a matter of fact, I feel with all that I am that God has called me into this industry.  This is my mission field.  I do not feel that the women who choose to not cut their or wear makeup or pants is trying to be holier than thou. I feel that they feel in their hearts that they are supposed to live this way.  I commend them greatly.  It is not our place to judge, we all need to realize that we are all trying to make this journey and if we are not able to get along on earth then how are we supposed to make it to heaven and spend eternity together.  I ALSO BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT YOU NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL NOT TO DISRESPECT PASTORS, EVANGELISTS, OR ANYONE ELSE CALLED BY GOD.  Just because you do not agree with them, doesn&#8217;t give you the right to down grade them.  They are called by God.  What they teach and say is on there hands. That is between them and God. That is why we are to study God&#8217;s word and PRAY PRAY PRAY.  Work out your own salvation. Don&#8217;t walk around saying you are wrong and you are wrong and you are wrong, walk around wth confidence that you know Christ and He teaches you things everyday.  We are called to love, not tear down, and to judge.  We are to witness and we are all back biting and being crtical and wasting preacious time. I pray that we all put aside the politics in church and just love eachother and strive to make it to heaven and win  our friends and neighbors for the Lord on our journey. I love all of you and we need to be careful not to let satan play distracting games with our minds and souls.  May God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: teresa denson</title>
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		<dc:creator>teresa denson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe we all need to be more concerned about saving the Lost and not be arguing about standards. Jesus said for us to go forth and preach the Gospel to every creature. If we preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and lead them to Jesus then Jesus will do the rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My pastor says the ground is level at Calvary. We all have sinned and come short of God&#039;s glory. We need to all work on ourselves and pray to God for mercy on us all. We all need God&#039;s mercy. No matter how holy we think that we may be. We all have issues and problems that we need to work on. We haven&#039;t made it yet till we hear him say well done thou good and faithful servant enter into my rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My pastor also preaches that you can look the most holy on the outside and if your inner attitude is wrong then you aren&#039;t where you ought to be either. Self righteousness is a sin. We none have anything to be self righteous about. The bible says our righteousness is a filthy rags.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore, instead of boasting about what we dont do we need to humble ourselves before God and beg for mercy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we all need to be more concerned about saving the Lost and not be arguing about standards. Jesus said for us to go forth and preach the Gospel to every creature. If we preach Jesus Christ and him crucified and lead them to Jesus then Jesus will do the rest.</p>
<p>My pastor says the ground is level at Calvary. We all have sinned and come short of God&#8217;s glory. We need to all work on ourselves and pray to God for mercy on us all. We all need God&#8217;s mercy. No matter how holy we think that we may be. We all have issues and problems that we need to work on. We haven&#8217;t made it yet till we hear him say well done thou good and faithful servant enter into my rest.</p>
<p>My pastor also preaches that you can look the most holy on the outside and if your inner attitude is wrong then you aren&#8217;t where you ought to be either. Self righteousness is a sin. We none have anything to be self righteous about. The bible says our righteousness is a filthy rags.</p>
<p>Therefore, instead of boasting about what we dont do we need to humble ourselves before God and beg for mercy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Logan</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2006/01/01/pentecostalism-and-charismatics/comment-page-1/#comment-72134</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I forgot to mention, all throughout the Bible, there is scripture about the Bride of Christ being adorned with refined gold. The children of Isreal did take off they&#039;re jewelry when they went before the Lord in judgement but, they always put it back on. Revelation is so explicit about heaven&#039;s beauty when it describes walls of jasper, gates of pearl and, streets of gold. Just like anything else, if the object becomes your love, such as the love of money being the root of evil. Not money itself but, the love of it. If the fine jewels become more important than God, then, it is a sin. Just like anything else that is put before God.

For some it is jewelry, for some money, for some fine cars, for some clothes, for some houses, and for some.....dare I mention....food. Being raised in the UPC church, we were some of the biggest eaters. And gluttony is a sin. But, that&#039;s a whole other subject. many times was jewelry given as a peace offering or a necklace given as a sign of affection in the Bible.

You must look at not only the culture and practices during that time but, also the right interpretation and meanings. What it boils down to is this. God&#039;s people are in all Christian denominations. He doesn&#039;t change but, his methods do. The Bible says that until all his people come together as one, we won&#039;t see his return.

I believe that means looking past everyones &quot;beliefs&quot; and coming together with a common goal. The commission of Christ. To seek and save those which are lost.

All of this dissention must stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I forgot to mention, all throughout the Bible, there is scripture about the Bride of Christ being adorned with refined gold. The children of Isreal did take off they&#8217;re jewelry when they went before the Lord in judgement but, they always put it back on. Revelation is so explicit about heaven&#8217;s beauty when it describes walls of jasper, gates of pearl and, streets of gold. Just like anything else, if the object becomes your love, such as the love of money being the root of evil. Not money itself but, the love of it. If the fine jewels become more important than God, then, it is a sin. Just like anything else that is put before God.</p>
<p>For some it is jewelry, for some money, for some fine cars, for some clothes, for some houses, and for some&#8230;..dare I mention&#8230;.food. Being raised in the UPC church, we were some of the biggest eaters. And gluttony is a sin. But, that&#8217;s a whole other subject. many times was jewelry given as a peace offering or a necklace given as a sign of affection in the Bible.</p>
<p>You must look at not only the culture and practices during that time but, also the right interpretation and meanings. What it boils down to is this. God&#8217;s people are in all Christian denominations. He doesn&#8217;t change but, his methods do. The Bible says that until all his people come together as one, we won&#8217;t see his return.</p>
<p>I believe that means looking past everyones &#8220;beliefs&#8221; and coming together with a common goal. The commission of Christ. To seek and save those which are lost.</p>
<p>All of this dissention must stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the pastor.

I was raised in the UPC church. I was only second generation. My mom had been raised Baptist and Assembly of God before coming to UPC. I have nothing against the way I was raised. I love the environment of the worship and praise. It is where I honed the talents that God gave me. And I love God with all my heart.

I too was raised with the belief that if you weren&#039;t UPC, you weren&#039;t going to heaven. If you didn&#039;t speak in tongues, you weren&#039;t going to heaven. If a woman wore pants, jewelry (necklace, earrings, rings, bracelets, etc.) you were going to hell. If a woman wore pants, she was going to hell. If a woman wore make up, she was going to hell.

I have come to the realization that there are even discriminations between churches in the organization. When I came back to the lord a little over 2 years ago, as much as I loved the UPC upbringing that I had, I just didn&#039;t feel led to go back to a UPC church. I really, really prayed about this. God led me to the church that I am at now. The pastors also used to be UPC. Upon deep study, Our senior pastor was also led to get out of the organization.

This all started with my mom. She had cancer. She was going to an ALJC church that was formerly a UPC church. While my mom was sick, not one member of the church offered any help to me or her while we were taking care of her. My little 80 year old Baptist mother in law would come over and sit with my mom, pray with her, cry with her and be her friend. I truly saw the love of Jesus in her.

God showed me that as there are many different religons, there are many different denominations within those religons. I now know that just as people are individuals, there are individual churches to satisfy they&#039;re spiritual needs. Whether it be Pentecostal, Baptist, Assembly of God, Non Denom (as I am), methodist, Lutheran or, even Catholic.

His Word say, whosoever believes on me SHALL NOT perish. I did not understand why it was not ok to wear necklaces and such but, it was ok to wear a big gaudy brooch or hair jewelry clips or pins. Why it was not ok to wear mascara, eyeliner and eye shadow but, it was ok to wear base and powder. Why it is not ok to wear nail polish but, it is ok to get a french manicure. Why it is not ok to wear pants but, it is ok to wear culottes or gauchos. Jewelry is jewelry, make up is make up, pants are pants. Underwear have 2 legs. so do pantyhose. BTW, t-shirts and ball caps were made for the British army men originally so, ladies, no more t-shirts or caps. Blouses were originally made for men.

There are too many discrepencies within they&#039;re own churches and beliefs. It has taken me a while to un brainwash myself and I am still having difficulty. I know a lot of unsaved folks according to the Christian standard but, I don&#039;t know they&#039;re heart. I know a lot of my friends have even turned from God totally because of the strict standards they were raised with. THank God, my mother wasn&#039;t as strict. She wasn&#039;t a hypocrite either. She lived what she believed. She was unjudgemental and loved by everyone. I have an even closer walk with GOd than I&#039;ve ever had before because I have experienced the LOVE of God. No longer do worry so much about what I am doing wrong that will send me to hell.

I do not have to suffer in legalism. I now feel free to worship and live for God. Jesus Christ died that All would be saved. I finally found out that it&#039;s not so hard to be saved as I was brought up. I hope that I can help someone suffering with the guilt and shame of Pentecostalism. I do not hate the UPC church, on the contrary, I love it very much. I just do not agree with the Phariseeical &quot;rules&quot;.

Please contact me if you are in need of someone to talk to.

lynnsinger1 (at) yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the pastor.</p>
<p>I was raised in the UPC church. I was only second generation. My mom had been raised Baptist and Assembly of God before coming to UPC. I have nothing against the way I was raised. I love the environment of the worship and praise. It is where I honed the talents that God gave me. And I love God with all my heart.</p>
<p>I too was raised with the belief that if you weren&#8217;t UPC, you weren&#8217;t going to heaven. If you didn&#8217;t speak in tongues, you weren&#8217;t going to heaven. If a woman wore pants, jewelry (necklace, earrings, rings, bracelets, etc.) you were going to hell. If a woman wore pants, she was going to hell. If a woman wore make up, she was going to hell.</p>
<p>I have come to the realization that there are even discriminations between churches in the organization. When I came back to the lord a little over 2 years ago, as much as I loved the UPC upbringing that I had, I just didn&#8217;t feel led to go back to a UPC church. I really, really prayed about this. God led me to the church that I am at now. The pastors also used to be UPC. Upon deep study, Our senior pastor was also led to get out of the organization.</p>
<p>This all started with my mom. She had cancer. She was going to an ALJC church that was formerly a UPC church. While my mom was sick, not one member of the church offered any help to me or her while we were taking care of her. My little 80 year old Baptist mother in law would come over and sit with my mom, pray with her, cry with her and be her friend. I truly saw the love of Jesus in her.</p>
<p>God showed me that as there are many different religons, there are many different denominations within those religons. I now know that just as people are individuals, there are individual churches to satisfy they&#8217;re spiritual needs. Whether it be Pentecostal, Baptist, Assembly of God, Non Denom (as I am), methodist, Lutheran or, even Catholic.</p>
<p>His Word say, whosoever believes on me SHALL NOT perish. I did not understand why it was not ok to wear necklaces and such but, it was ok to wear a big gaudy brooch or hair jewelry clips or pins. Why it was not ok to wear mascara, eyeliner and eye shadow but, it was ok to wear base and powder. Why it is not ok to wear nail polish but, it is ok to get a french manicure. Why it is not ok to wear pants but, it is ok to wear culottes or gauchos. Jewelry is jewelry, make up is make up, pants are pants. Underwear have 2 legs. so do pantyhose. BTW, t-shirts and ball caps were made for the British army men originally so, ladies, no more t-shirts or caps. Blouses were originally made for men.</p>
<p>There are too many discrepencies within they&#8217;re own churches and beliefs. It has taken me a while to un brainwash myself and I am still having difficulty. I know a lot of unsaved folks according to the Christian standard but, I don&#8217;t know they&#8217;re heart. I know a lot of my friends have even turned from God totally because of the strict standards they were raised with. THank God, my mother wasn&#8217;t as strict. She wasn&#8217;t a hypocrite either. She lived what she believed. She was unjudgemental and loved by everyone. I have an even closer walk with GOd than I&#8217;ve ever had before because I have experienced the LOVE of God. No longer do worry so much about what I am doing wrong that will send me to hell.</p>
<p>I do not have to suffer in legalism. I now feel free to worship and live for God. Jesus Christ died that All would be saved. I finally found out that it&#8217;s not so hard to be saved as I was brought up. I hope that I can help someone suffering with the guilt and shame of Pentecostalism. I do not hate the UPC church, on the contrary, I love it very much. I just do not agree with the Phariseeical &#8220;rules&#8221;.</p>
<p>Please contact me if you are in need of someone to talk to.</p>
<p>lynnsinger1 (at) yahoo.com</p>
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		<description>MaximusDelta, 

I was not writing to strict apostolics, due to the fact you can never be wrong. However it is a warning and insight to any who would contemplate attending one of these cult type churches. You don&#039;t know me nor do you know the level of modesty our church holds. Moreover, given your response you have not studied these issues out. 

Holiness has no standards. You are holy by God&#039;s declaration not your own. You are either holy or not, Righteous or not, sanctified or not.

I&#039;m not chasing lust, only truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MaximusDelta, </p>
<p>I was not writing to strict apostolics, due to the fact you can never be wrong. However it is a warning and insight to any who would contemplate attending one of these cult type churches. You don&#8217;t know me nor do you know the level of modesty our church holds. Moreover, given your response you have not studied these issues out. </p>
<p>Holiness has no standards. You are holy by God&#8217;s declaration not your own. You are either holy or not, Righteous or not, sanctified or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not chasing lust, only truth.</p>
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