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	<title>Comments on: PETA, goldfish, and stupidity &#8230; or &#8216;Why I eat animals and don&#8217;t brag about it in the press.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-24650</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eleanor, you just elevated my cheesy attempt at humor and forced umbrage (at PETA) into the kind of thoughtful, incisive post I should have written in the first place. I only hinted at my disparagment of youth pastor&#039;s tactics in my post, but you articulated the crux of the problem nicely.

PETA would have nothing on us if we actually went about the work of discipling teens instead of entertaining them.

Your criticism and outrage is right on.

Regards,

Rich
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tatumweb.com/blog/&quot;&gt;BlogRodent&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eleanor, you just elevated my cheesy attempt at humor and forced umbrage (at PETA) into the kind of thoughtful, incisive post I should have written in the first place. I only hinted at my disparagment of youth pastor&#8217;s tactics in my post, but you articulated the crux of the problem nicely.</p>
<p>PETA would have nothing on us if we actually went about the work of discipling teens instead of entertaining them.</p>
<p>Your criticism and outrage is right on.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Rich<br />
<a href="http://tatumweb.com/blog/">BlogRodent</a></p>
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		<title>By: eleanor gibbons</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-10576</link>
		<dc:creator>eleanor gibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, many youth pastors and their superiors feel that the youth pastors can only identify with the youth if they are on the same maturity level. Kids need and really want guidance from adults. They don&#039;t need the youth pastor to be another kid. 

And whether they like it or not, the youthpastor is accountable to the parents and the church for what goes on. Unfortunately for all their griping about lax parenting many youth pastors have decided they know what is best for the the kids, not their parents and are in the process of further anlienating kids from their parents, by criticising or disagreeing with parental decisions. Our family made the decsion to leave a church and the youth pastor and his wife even went so far as to pull up behind my car at a school function--Christian school-  engage my child ion conversation and totally ignored me. The wife caught my child at school- she teaches there- in the library and questioned her about why we were leaving. 

The number of calls I got from anyone about this? ZERO. They all went for my daughter who was subjected to gossip passed by the kids who were telling her what adult were saying about me and my decsion. As the adults are- so are the kids. The youth pastor and his wife made things 20 times worse for my child by making her feel guilty and criticising me. All I wanted to do was join another congregation but you would have thought we were joining the communist party.

Youth pastors need to be careful about falling into the trap of trying to be friends with the extent they come off as just another peer of the kids, instead of a responsible adult.thanks to our previous youth pastor and his actions and the actions and attitudes of the elder in charge of the ministry our whole family had to go into counselling&#160;&#8212; it almost destroyed our family because the youth pastor, the elder and several other good people of the church were angry we were leaving going to another congregation they didn&#039;t approve of.The youth pastors were having a feud between them at the two congregations, unknown to me at the time. All could have been prevented by wise oversight by some spiritually mature men, but it was not there.

I am about sick of organized religion.

Where in the world did we all get the idea that youth pastors have to be as inexperinced at life and immature as the kids they are pastoring? Kids need spiritual guidance from spiritually wise and experienced men and women, not to be shuttled off to people barely older than they are. Disaster wating to happen.

give us some older youth pastors who know what they are talking about when they teach our kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, many youth pastors and their superiors feel that the youth pastors can only identify with the youth if they are on the same maturity level. Kids need and really want guidance from adults. They don&#8217;t need the youth pastor to be another kid. </p>
<p>And whether they like it or not, the youthpastor is accountable to the parents and the church for what goes on. Unfortunately for all their griping about lax parenting many youth pastors have decided they know what is best for the the kids, not their parents and are in the process of further anlienating kids from their parents, by criticising or disagreeing with parental decisions. Our family made the decsion to leave a church and the youth pastor and his wife even went so far as to pull up behind my car at a school function&#8211;Christian school-  engage my child ion conversation and totally ignored me. The wife caught my child at school- she teaches there- in the library and questioned her about why we were leaving. </p>
<p>The number of calls I got from anyone about this? ZERO. They all went for my daughter who was subjected to gossip passed by the kids who were telling her what adult were saying about me and my decsion. As the adults are- so are the kids. The youth pastor and his wife made things 20 times worse for my child by making her feel guilty and criticising me. All I wanted to do was join another congregation but you would have thought we were joining the communist party.</p>
<p>Youth pastors need to be careful about falling into the trap of trying to be friends with the extent they come off as just another peer of the kids, instead of a responsible adult.thanks to our previous youth pastor and his actions and the actions and attitudes of the elder in charge of the ministry our whole family had to go into counselling&nbsp;&mdash; it almost destroyed our family because the youth pastor, the elder and several other good people of the church were angry we were leaving going to another congregation they didn&#8217;t approve of.The youth pastors were having a feud between them at the two congregations, unknown to me at the time. All could have been prevented by wise oversight by some spiritually mature men, but it was not there.</p>
<p>I am about sick of organized religion.</p>
<p>Where in the world did we all get the idea that youth pastors have to be as inexperinced at life and immature as the kids they are pastoring? Kids need spiritual guidance from spiritually wise and experienced men and women, not to be shuttled off to people barely older than they are. Disaster wating to happen.</p>
<p>give us some older youth pastors who know what they are talking about when they teach our kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc V</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my righteous indignation, I got all worked up and touched my &quot;inner Jesse Jackson&quot;.  Ewww, that doesn&#039;t sound so good.  He&#039;s one of the &quot;disads&quot; to living in the Chicago area.
[Actually, in that comment I had originally typed &quot;equivocating&quot;, but it didn&#039;t sound right and after looking it up it wasn&#039;t what I wanted to say.  Equivalating was.]

Rich, I went and &quot;experienced the Superior difference&quot;.  At the end of the day, remember to ask for it by name.  You da man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my righteous indignation, I got all worked up and touched my &#8220;inner Jesse Jackson&#8221;.  Ewww, that doesn&#8217;t sound so good.  He&#8217;s one of the &#8220;disads&#8221; to living in the Chicago area.<br />
[Actually, in that comment I had originally typed "equivocating", but it didn't sound right and after looking it up it wasn't what I wanted to say.  Equivalating was.]</p>
<p>Rich, I went and &#8220;experienced the Superior difference&#8221;.  At the end of the day, remember to ask for it by name.  You da man!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, since my blog is so backwater and below PETA&#039;s radar, I think you are still safe. You might want to write a letter to the editor of the New York Times, or something, if you want to get prosecuted.

Marc, your umbrage is duly noted. But resorting to  verbing nouns ... c&#039;mon man! &lt;b&gt;Get ahold of yourself!&lt;/b&gt; (Equivalating? Didn&#039;t you know that word was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lssu.edu/banished/archive/1999.php&quot; rel=&quot;tag&quot;&gt;banished in 1999&lt;/a&gt;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, since my blog is so backwater and below PETA&#8217;s radar, I think you are still safe. You might want to write a letter to the editor of the New York Times, or something, if you want to get prosecuted.</p>
<p>Marc, your umbrage is duly noted. But resorting to  verbing nouns &#8230; c&#8217;mon man! <b>Get ahold of yourself!</b> (Equivalating? Didn&#8217;t you know that word was <a href="http://www.lssu.edu/banished/archive/1999.php" rel="tag" class="extlink">banished in 1999</a>?)</p>
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		<title>By: Marc V</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People Eating Tasty Animals

As an &quot;intelligent, sensitive animal who has developed cognitive abilities&quot;, I take umbrage (yes, umbrage!) at the attempted &quot;equivalating&quot; of my life to a goldfish.  A Comet goldfish at that.

It should not be surprising we have such a problem with abortion and euthanasia, when people like the PETA folks get all worked up over fish &quot;rights&quot; to the detriment of human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People Eating Tasty Animals</p>
<p>As an &#8220;intelligent, sensitive animal who has developed cognitive abilities&#8221;, I take umbrage (yes, umbrage!) at the attempted &#8220;equivalating&#8221; of my life to a goldfish.  A Comet goldfish at that.</p>
<p>It should not be surprising we have such a problem with abortion and euthanasia, when people like the PETA folks get all worked up over fish &#8220;rights&#8221; to the detriment of human rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Dalaba</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Dalaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid I ate 10 minnows for a dime a piece in order to buy a beach ball.  My aunt dared me.  My younger cousin was amazed.  Will PETA be after me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid I ate 10 minnows for a dime a piece in order to buy a beach ball.  My aunt dared me.  My younger cousin was amazed.  Will PETA be after me?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://tatumweb.com/blog/2005/11/02/goldfish/comment-page-1/#comment-67379</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;with parental decisions. Our family made the decsion to leave a church and the youth pastor and his wife even went so far as to pull up behind my car at a school function–Christian school- engage my child ion conversation and totally ignored… [Full comment in context…]   Type: comment Author: Dave Taylor Post: “PneumaBlogs: Select Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Assemblies of God Bloggers“ Date: 06/16/2006, 7:45 am   I had a vision of you, Rich, and you were 900 feet tall and you said to me, &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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